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News College Campus Divided Over Bible For Porn Campaign

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      CommentAuthorTravis
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2010
     



    It’s part of a campaign called ‘Smut for Smut’ sponsored by the student group, ‘Atheist Agenda.’ “We are comparing their religious text to pornography..” says group member Carlos Morales.

    Collecting more than just the bible, this group accepts anything containing religious text. In return, students ages 18 or older receive pornography.

    Atheist Agenda leaders say porn is no worse than what’s written in some parts of religious texts.

    “I don’t understand how that equals at all .. to the word of God .. they’re definitely opposites … ” says Monica Coronado, a University of Texas – San Antonio freshman.

    Coronado is one of the many students joining hands, denouncing the group’s message. “Honestly God isn’t just about killing people .. he’s about really righteousness .. I just wanted to explain..”

    The debate spurs plenty of emotion from both sides, but some students took a different approach, supporting neither side, saying the debate accomplished nothing.

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      CommentAuthoroccupant
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2010
     
    that's lame as hell.
    this thread is about as great as anything killthemall started.

    • CommentAuthorrandom
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2010
     
    It's the advanced I.Q. and intellect at work?

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      CommentAuthorTravis
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2010
     
    occupant:that's lame as hell.
    this thread is about as great as anything killthemall started.


    nobody kills for porn... just sayin.

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      CommentAuthorKoger
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2010
     
    i just think it's one more useless inflammatory gesture from folks acting like they're in high school rooting for football teams. grow up.

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    They can do as they please.
    No better or worse than those "God Hates Fags" fools.

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    yeah trading porn for bibles is totally just as bad as picketing soilder funerals.

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    Yes. Yes it is. It the sense that neither accomplishes nothing positive for any group, and only exposes how ignorant people can be.

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      CommentAuthorGuest
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2010
     
    Levi, will you please stop sometimes?

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      CommentAuthorGuest
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2010
     
    That last comment, Levi, was to "No better or worse than those "God Hates Fags" fools."

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    It's the truth, rather, it's my truth. So I'll do as I please in stating it or not.

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    yeah, one isolated group on a college campus is the same as a group of hate preachers that travel all over the world spreading their dumb ass message. please.

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    NEGATIVE CREEP:yeah, one isolated group that is comprised of an inbred hillbilly family that only go around the united states is the same as a group of haters that travel all over the world ->link<- spreading their dumb ass message.

    Both groups accomplish nothing and are full of hate for their fellow man.


    well said friend! I'm glad we agree despite the fact we share different viewpoints on religion!

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    the one group trading bible for porn is not every atheist group around the world.

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      CommentAuthorLeviFaustian
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2010 edited
     
    the one group saying God hates fags is not every Christian group around the world.

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      CommentAuthorBeeson
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2010
     
    That pic really sucked matt, glad I didn't open that at work

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    you are completely missing my point. that group isnt going to every college campus trading bibles for porn. this is like arguing with a brick.

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    Alright man, I'm done, but that was fun. I love ya.

    The point of all this is that I'm trying to convey that as two adults (inb4 you're not a real adult) that have decided what they will choose to believe for the remainders of their lives, we enter this debate already going in circles. Every point you make about radical Christian groups, I can more or less make the same claim about radical Atheist groups. Our words in this argument can be the same damn thing, just reversed, as you can see above.

    I'm done with this particular style of arguing. A lot of the members on this board, non-Christian and Christian alike, have been doing the same damn thing for the past 6 years. I really got ticked when I make a statement not belittling Atheists in the least, right after a picture is posted that would make a lot of people furious. A picture that serves no purpose but to make one angry, not making any logical point. But yet my comment is the one that is questioned?

    Awesome.

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      CommentAuthorLeviFaustian
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2010 edited
     
    NEGATIVE CREEP:you are completely missing my point. that group isnt going to every college campus trading bibles for porn. this is like arguing with a brick.


    I understand your point completely; I'm choosing to not address your point directly. Rather, I'm trying to show how similar our arguments can be.

    I agree, this style of debate is exactly like arguing with a brick. We have both made up our minds on how we will live our lives in reference to religion. A face-to-face disagreement wouldn't change our feelings on the matter, much less one on an internet forum.

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    i think the extremists on both ends are completely stupid. same with music. i think beating atheism into people is just as stupid as preaching christianity. and i posted that picture because it's just as dumb and pointless as all of the religious debates on this site.

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      CommentAuthorLeviFaustian
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2010 edited
     
    Sounds good. Sounds like we are agreeing...I think. Except for the picture. That's pretty rough. Especially bc you didn't label it NSFW. This is the internet damnit.

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    well i cant edit the thread title.

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    trading bibles for porn is not even on the same level as god hates fags...are you fucking stupid? i guess you must be. that is nothing more than a publicity stunt. get real, open your eyes, and grow up.

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      CommentAuthorsuggsct
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2010
     
    yeah the God hates fags thing is a true shame...like negative creep said, theres extremes on both ends.

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    Whatever, it's my opinion, to each his own.

    Andy and Matt (I can't recall many Suggsct post so I can't comment on his/her faith or lack thereof) profess to be Atheist (if I'm recalling correctly) so of course they would say the godhatesfags is worse. I claim to be a Christian, I feel that the two are equal.

    Why can't it ever be a difference of opinion or belief? Why does someone have to be right or wrong. Is there solid proof; irrefutable evidence, sat down and discussed by the greatest ethical minds that one is worse than another, Andy? You seem so sure. Or am I just fucking stupid and need to grow up?

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    ill guarantee you will never see any atheist groups picketing any regular christian persons funeral.

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      CommentAuthorKenan
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2010
     
    i see where youre coming from levi but really dude...it is so beyond morally reprehensible to go to a persons funeral and inflict that kind of pain upon the recently deceased loves ones. especially over something so trite as sexual orientation.

    dont you even try to begin to tell me you feel that kind of pain an emotional scarring over the fact that someone may possibly trade in a bible for some pornography. even if you witnessed it happen in real life. it might make you feel uncomfortable and offended but NO where near the pain you would feel if the westboro baptist church came to your mothers funeral to picket her death and proclaim their elation at her burning in eternal hell fire.

    im also gonna go out on a limb and assume you look at porn, if not often at least occasionally.

    god hates fags.com is far more evil, sadistic and cruel than trading a bible for some porn could ever possibly be. sorry man...but your opinion is wrong.

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      CommentAuthorLeviFaustian
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2010 edited
     
    Kenan,

    After reading your post, I sat back and thought about it for a while.

    I guess I didn't really look at it that way. I was moreso looking at it as two viewpoints bashing each other (between this group and GHF), as opposed to looking at the victims of the ignorance. When this Atheist group made their inflammatory actions, it wasn't attacking the Christians exclusively, moreover, the Christians affected weren't already in a hurt emotional state. If the Christians had any faith, they should be able to turn the other cheek and let the group do as they will.

    Maybe next time I will look at who is getting hurt and how as opposed to who is doing the hurting.

    I just wish people would understand that Jesus, God, The Bible is something that I hold in my heart as something important to me. As silly and ignorant as some people think it is. That's my choice and the choice of millions of other people. So when people do stuff like this or post pictures like that was posted, it doesn't strike a good note with me. Just as much as it would if someone treated something you guys hold dear to your heart like it was worthless. I'd like more respect and understanding to be showed towards that side of the spectrum.

    Many thanks are given to Matt if he realizes what mental state and what side my words were coming from, why that picture isn't okay in the least, and that my intentions weren't meant to belittle the severity of the GHF groups actions.

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    levi, I can't really imagine that you're upset. You posted a picture that compared Jesus to dracula and zombies and said that it didn't matter if you were christian that you could still find it funny. Why is Matt's picture different and please give us the rules of what anti-jesus pictures are ok and which ones aren't so that we don't offend you.

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    Oh and I live in Austin and had no idea this was happening so on the "message getting out" side of things you can't compare these guys and GHF douches either. Although i will say that it doesn't surprise me at all that this was at UT.

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    i don't really get offended by anything at all. so if someone posted a picture of something i cared about i would probably just shrug it off. but thats just me.

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    levi do you believe everything in the bible to be true and worthwhile word for word? if you do, then it is on the same level as porn. garbage.
    if you dont, believe it all to be "god breathed" or the inherent word of god, or whatever, then what does it matter who does what with it?

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      CommentAuthorKoger
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2010
     
    I really think this is another case of Levi being misunderstood. I don't like a majority of what Levi posts. I think, for the most part, he says a lot of silly things and in general digs himself deep into just about every hole he can.

    In this instance, though, I think I agree with the bottom line of his point:

    I don't think Levi in any way considers GHF and the Porn for Bibles campaign as being equal in their social or emotional impact. I think Levi is aware that GHF, in the grand scheme of things, is far more destructive on a massive level than a couple of ding dongs trying to make a weak point of comparison. No one here supports homophobia or that kind of hate speech and bigotry, I don't think.

    I think what he was primarily alluding to was his general distaste for actions that are based on a snide or mocking tone between atheist and christian groups and how unproductive they are in the long run. In that area GHF and Porn for Bibles are similar: They are unproductive hateful jabs at the "opposing team" rather than a meaningful discourse between the two. It's kids rooting for their favorite sports team as a way of justifying their beliefs rather than adults focused on living their lives and offering respect to each other regardless.

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    LeviFaustian:the one group saying God hates fags is not every Christian group around the world.

    LeviFaustian: Every point you make about radical Christian groups, I can more or less make the same claim about radical Atheist groups. Our words in this argument can be the same damn thing, just reversed, as you can see above.

    Can we stop being polite about this shit?
    By definition, all Atheist groups should be considered radical and extreme by christian groups, just the same as I, as an Atheist, consider ALL religious groups extremists. There really is no line for me, the way one group goes out and preaches or practice in comparison to another (GHF v. Mormons v. Jews et. all) is immaterial to the fact that I find their(your) fundamental beliefs to be flawed, dangerous, and stupid. I oppose and have a basic lack of respect for them(you) equally. And the same should go with how christians treat atheists.

    Just because I disagree with the methods of this group, doesn't put me opposed to them, it's just a different means of expressing our views (albeit flawed in my opinion as a feminist). I think christians fail as a group because you are trying to pick and choose who and what you believe in comparison to other groups who prescribe to fundamentally the exact same thing. Shouldn't you accept them as christians and just move on? I see it as further proof of the fallibility in your belief system.

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      CommentAuthorWes
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2010
     
    hah....some college kids are idiots

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      CommentAuthorthat guy
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2010
     
    too bad it's not at uncc, i'd definitely do some trades.

    porn is awesome.

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      CommentAuthorsuggsct
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2010
     
    LeviFaustian:Whatever, it's my opinion, to each his own.

    Andy and Matt (I can't recall many Suggsct post so I can't comment on his/her faith or lack thereof) profess to be Atheist (if I'm recalling correctly) so of course they would say the godhatesfags is worse. I claim to be a Christian, I feel that the two are equal.

    Why can't it ever be a difference of opinion or belief? Why does someone have to be right or wrong. Is there solid proof; irrefutable evidence, sat down and discussed by the greatest ethical minds that one is worse than another, Andy? You seem so sure. Or am I just fucking stupid and need to grow up?


    im a proud follower of Christ. the classification of "christian" (as has been pointed out in this thread several times) is watered down and full of luke warm participants.

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      CommentAuthorGuest
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2010
     
    suggsct:
    LeviFaustian:Whatever, it's my opinion, to each his own.

    Andy and Matt (I can't recall many Suggsct post so I can't comment on his/her faith or lack thereof) profess to be Atheist (if I'm recalling correctly) so of course they would say the godhatesfags is worse. I claim to be a Christian, I feel that the two are equal.

    Why can't it ever be a difference of opinion or belief? Why does someone have to be right or wrong. Is there solid proof; irrefutable evidence, sat down and discussed by the greatest ethical minds that one is worse than another, Andy? You seem so sure. Or am I just fucking stupid and need to grow up?


    im a proud follower of Christ. the classification of "christian" (as has been pointed out in this thread several times) is watered down and full of luke warm participants.


    Then you're just a radical idiot who believes in flawed stories!!11!

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      CommentAuthorsuggsct
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2010
     
    Guest:
    suggsct:
    LeviFaustian:Whatever, it's my opinion, to each his own.

    Andy and Matt (I can't recall many Suggsct post so I can't comment on his/her faith or lack thereof) profess to be Atheist (if I'm recalling correctly) so of course they would say the godhatesfags is worse. I claim to be a Christian, I feel that the two are equal.

    Why can't it ever be a difference of opinion or belief? Why does someone have to be right or wrong. Is there solid proof; irrefutable evidence, sat down and discussed by the greatest ethical minds that one is worse than another, Andy? You seem so sure. Or am I just fucking stupid and need to grow up?


    im a proud follower of Christ. the classification of "christian" (as has been pointed out in this thread several times) is watered down and full of luke warm participants.


    Then you're just a radical idiot who believes in flawed stories!!11!


    ha thank you

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      CommentAuthorMaxsilver
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2010
     


    What a great dude.

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      CommentAuthorGuest
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2010
     
    hurr hurr d00d u so damn kool! u got dat pic wit jesus and den u said he not real! damn dude dat funni!!

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      CommentAuthorKenan
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2010 edited
     
    as a lower middle class white atheist male there is almost nothing that can be said or done to offend ME personally.

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